Fight The Good Fight

When you're traveling with someone, you're generally spending 24 hours a day with them. And when you're spending 24 hours a day with someone, you're inevitably going to---pardon my French---get on each others' tits a little bit. One of the first arguments Sean and I ever had was during an otherwise perfectly pleasant afternoon walking around Paris five years ago. As we made our way up (and then down) the Sacre Coeur, through the windy streets of Montmartre, along the Champs Elysees, and all the way to the Arc de Triomphe, we never stopped debating (heatedly) whether lettuce was a vegetable, a fruit, or merely just "kind of part of the salad family."

And now, Internet, we are having a new fight. We are arguing over what color you would call the flesh of a mango.

It started when we were walking around an art gallery in Siem Reap this evening, and admiring the color of the walls. One of us said they were yellow and the other said they were orange. "Well, alright," said the person who'd said they were yellow. "They're not yellow yellow, but they're sort of the color of the inside of a mango."

"Which is orange," said the person who'd said the walls were orange.

"The flesh of a mango is yellow!" said the first person.

"Orange!" said the other.

And it went on like this, all through dinner, culminating with one person accusing the other of being colorblind, and the other replying that being colorblind was fine, they were totally cool with being colorblind, BECAUSE AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T INSANE.

"I am going to ask every single person in this restaurant what color the flesh of a mango is," I said. "And then we"ll see who's right."

"Fine," said Sean. "Because then we'll see that I'm right."

"You know what?" I said. "Some of these people are foreign and might not understand, and they might mistakenly say orange when they meant yellow, because maybe the Japanese word for orange is kind of like the word for yellow, or maybe in Belgium the mangoes are a different color or something. So you know what I am going to do? I AM GOING TO ASK THE INTERNET."

So now you have to help me out. What color would you call the inside of a mango? One of us says yellow, the other says orange. The one who says yellow knows it's a deep, rich kind of yellow---not like, say, the yellow of a lemon---and the one who says orange knows it's a lighter orange than, say, an actual orange orange, the kind you peel.

Do you have an opinion? You must have an opinion. Please share it.

In other news, Sean's hair is getting totally long and curly, and I have been begging and begging him to let me cut it, just the top part so that it doesn't fall in his eyes and make him look like someone called Blaine, or get pushed backwards and make him look like someone called Bon Jovi.

"No," he says. "You are not cutting my hair."

"But Sean!" I say. "I have cut loads of boys' hair. I've cut both of my brothers' hair, and once there was this guy in college and he was a total hippie with this horrible long hair and then I cut it one day in the kitchen when we were bored, and I TRANSFORMED him, and suddenly everyone started falling in love with him. It was like I gave him an Extreme Makeover!"

"No,"says Sean. "You are not a licensed barber."

"I don't need to be a licensed barber!" I say. "All I want to do is take an inch off the part at the front. It'll take two minutes!"

"What would you cut it with?" says Sean. "We don't have anything to cut it with."

"We have nail scissors," I say. "And a cheese knife."

"You are not cutting my hair with a knife," says Sean.

"Oh god, come on! What kind of traveler are you?" I say. "Think what a great story that would be! My Girlfriend Cut My Hair In Cambodia With A Knife. You could dine out on that for months!"

"No," says Sean. "You don't have a license. It would end up looking like shit."

"Why would you care what it looks like?" I cry. "You've been wearing the same shoes every day for two months! Your shorts are covered in mud! You roll your clothes up every few days in plastic bags and carry them on your back! And now you care what your hair looks like?"

"Alright then," says Sean. "You've been saying for ages how your hair is getting in your face and you're sick of tying it back and you want to chop it all off when we get to Bangkok. If it doesn't matter what we look like and we're only travelers and we're not going to see anyone we know, then why don't you let me cut your hair? WITH THE CHEESE KNIFE?"

And then, of course, it's all over. Because he's won, hasn't he?

Sep 19, 2006

I think a mango coloured. Just like cantaloupe is cantaloupe-coloured. Having said that I guess those two colours are similar so maybe a mango is cantaloupe? Neither one of you is right and neither one of you is wrong - that's why fruit is such a beautiful thing. Love your site...

Sep 19, 2006

Sad. The whole mango altercation could've been avoided if you'd just followed the lead of, say, Patagonia and J. Crew and agreed that the color of the inside of a mango is Mango.

(I realise that doesn't help your cause any.)

My darling and I have color-based disagreements a lot, involving greens mostly (not lettuce, but shades of). I have a pair of shorts that is purple and she INSISTS on calling them "your grey shorts". Then again, it could just be that she can't get used to the idea of being married to someone who'd own purple shorts.

(Nor does that.)

Sep 19, 2006

The first thing that popped into my mind was orange. Not orangey orange, but definitely orange. I can see the argument for yellow, too, but since my first thought was orange, I will have to go with that.

Sep 19, 2006

A mango is yellow. A deep, rich yellow. ANYBODY knows that.

Sep 19, 2006

In 2003 Crayola added the color "Mango Tango" to their 64 box of crayons.

So you're both off the hook :)

Sep 19, 2006

I'm going to go with orangey-yellow. If I have to pick a color other than mango because, as seems to be the consensus, mangos are mango colored.

Sep 19, 2006

I followed Lori's link to the Crayola website. Mango Tango belongs to the Orange hue family.

I wonder about ripeness affecting the color. Maybe one of you has been eating underripe mango?

Sep 19, 2006

Mango is indeed its own color. But if I were forced to choose (and I choose colors for a living) I would say the flesh of a mango is a deep, rich, golden yellow. The breakdown would be something like this: 90% yellow 20% magenta. Which is several percentage points from anything resembling orange.

Sep 19, 2006

Is "peach" a color? If so, then "mango" should be, as well.

On the flip side, If you were to search Google Images, mangos (mangoes) greatly vary in color, from a bright yellow to a peachy- cantaloupe orange. THAT's it!!! Mangoes are "Yellowish- Peachy Cantaloupe Orange"- simply put, they are mango colored...

Sep 19, 2006

URG, Dakin and I have gotten into many a squabble of things like that -- correct pronouncation, definitions, colors (blue and black is a big deal with us. I don't understand why he thinks deep blue is black because It. Is. Not.) We had one of these last night when I told him he drove me over the bend. "Around the bend" he said smugly. I argued it could be like driving sheep over a bend. And he said, no, it's a bend in the road, you have to go around it." To which I said, um, I think I just stuck out my tonge at that point.

The mango question made me think. At first, I thought light-orange. But then I thought rich-yellow. Then I tried to imagine the color wheel in 3rd grade art when we discovered the wonder of mixing primary colors to make orange and thought, how much red would be added to make yellow go mango? My guess, not so many. So. um. Yellow. ish. The real zinger though is that it all depends on whether the mango is ripe. Really ripe? Orange. Not quite ripe to just ripe? Yellow. You both win!

Sep 19, 2006

I too did a Google image search and was unable to come to any great earth-shattering conclusion. If I had to pick a felt-tip to colour in a picture of a mango, I'd choose yellow over orange, but it seems they're quite often a deep yellow, so I'd go over it a few times. I can't bear to re-read the story to see with whom I've agreed, because I think you're both delightful. Deep yellow is my vote.

Sep 19, 2006

An over-ripe mango is orange. An under-ripe mango is yellow. A perfect mango is right in between. No, really!

Also, did you take that whole 'I cut a boy's hair in college and he went from hippy to hottie' from the book Prep or did it really happen? Because, seriously, there is the same thing in Prep.

Sep 19, 2006

Just heard the news about Thailand and the coup - and I see your mention that Bangkok is on your itinerary. I hope you are safe.

Sean's mom
Sep 19, 2006

I opt for Mango. Think about staying in Cambodia. Please stay safe. Did you get the new pictures?

Sep 19, 2006

My first reaction is to say it's yellow, a deep yellow but upon reading all the other comments, I have to agree that mango is it's own color, much like Matt said. Perhaps you could agree to disagree...and therefore both be right in your own minds?

Sep 19, 2006

I vote for orange. (Sorry.) I've always been confused when people call (American) cheddar "yellow cheese." Clearly, it's orange. Yet (American) school buses are yellow, right? Except they and mangos are all about the same color. But the bigger question: Is the color of Paris Hilton's skin yellow or orange?

Sep 19, 2006

um, doesn't the colour of the flesh inside the mango change with every mango? isn't it like people's complexions?

but i think most of the time they are a rich yellow.

Sarah Marie
Sep 19, 2006

If I had to pick one color word, not a combo cop-out like orangey yellow or yellowish orange, immediately I think orange. But based on the comments here I am leaning towards saying that a mango is peach colored. What a question to pass the time... :)

Stay safe, I thought of you and Sean when I opened my internet news and heard of the coup in Thailand.

Sep 19, 2006

I vote for a deep, vibrant YELLOW for a mango.

Now I wonder if I'm on Sean or Holly's side....

Sep 19, 2006

I obviously need to start eating more mango.

Melissa F.
Sep 19, 2006

I says it's mango colored, but if I have to Love all your posts! Makes me want to visit all of those exotic places.

Sep 19, 2006

Yellow. Without a doubt. Plus, the end point color of the inside is simply the maturation of the starting point color of any self respecting mango, which is light yellow. Go find a unripe mango and cut it open - its yellow...and then it simply grows older, looses its hair, divorces wife of 15 years who put him through mango school, marries a cute papaya 18 years his junior and yet, remains, simply congealed yellow.

kerri anne
Sep 19, 2006

Deep Blue Purple. Oh, sorry. Distracted. Deep (not blue) Yellow. Amen.

Sep 19, 2006

A mango is peach colored inside. So there.

Sep 19, 2006

Orange. That was my first instinct given the binary choices, which I have to assume is what we're working with. Otherwise, mango-colored.

Ahhhh, travel fights. Even the fighting is romantic when you're halfway around the world from work.

Sep 19, 2006

It's probably about the color of the cheese you've been slicing when you're not threatening to use the knife on Sean's hair. And who goes backpacking with a cheese knife? Don't you have a respectable Swiss Army knife with which to cut your mangoes? Which are yellorange-y-ish?

Sep 19, 2006

Just figured I'd throw it out there, lettuce is a vegetable, because a head of lettuce doesn't have any seeds.

Sep 19, 2006

I had a mango for lunch and this discussion caused me to discover something I'd never noticed before. When I first sliced it open, the mango was definitely golden yellow and I thought aha!, but as it sat on my desk while I nibbled, it definitely got more and more orange over time. I peeled a piece off the skin to check the side that hadn't been exposed to air, and that side was distinctly more yellow but the air side was distinctly more orange. So now the question becomes, which of you gobbles mangoes and which of you savors them?

Sep 19, 2006

Holly I think you're great and I love your site and it pains me to disagree with you, but that deep, rich kind of yellow? Is also known as orange.

Sep 19, 2006

Oh my goodness. I was leaning towards yellow but really? What do I know? I'm certainly not any expert on mangoes. Nor am I an expert on colors. Sounds to me like a lot of people might have this same argument with their significant others since none of us can agree. Just one more reason on my long list of why I'm glad to be single.

Sep 19, 2006

I'd have to go with orange as well. But it's a milky orange, if that makes sense. Also, some mangos tend to be lighter -- maybe that's where the yellow comes from, but I still say orange.
Also, I think you'd look cute with short hair. I really enjoy reading about this trip -- fascinating! I frequently laugh, and that's a good thing.

Sep 19, 2006

Definately orange, a very honey in the sun orange, but orange.

Sep 19, 2006

And please do cut your hair so I am not so alone with my funny, short haircut. Please?

Daydreams and Musings
Sep 19, 2006

I'm a big fan of agreeing to disagree. Or maybe you can agree that the color of mango is mango and leave it at that. Because I really hate to pick sides - you're both so delightful.

Sep 19, 2006

I took a PURPLE backpack on my travels. One day my other half threw an offhand comment about my blue backpack. 'Blue?' I cried. 'It's purple!' He begged to differ. I fondly ruffled his hair, and sweetly reminded him that it was his sex that has a tendency to suffer from colour blindness, not mine. The argument raged for years and over that time I have regularly quizzed other randoms on their opinion. Everyone says blue. I concede that it is a bluey shade of purple, but staunchly purple nonetheless. Luckily I am blessed with the strength of character to hold strong in my convictions in the face of such widespread confusion.

As my area of expertise resides in the blue/purple spectrum of the colour wheel, I'm afraid I'll just have to sit on the Mango Tango fence for this one.

Sep 19, 2006

Yellow. Without a doubt.

Sep 19, 2006

Update: Just asked my boyfriend, and he says orange. Look what you've started. And please tell me if it's a gender thing.

Sep 19, 2006

Definitely yellow.
I work in an organic market and have seen many mangoes. Even when they are overripe, they are yellow. With brown spots.

Sep 19, 2006

While you know that I am ALL about the short short hair (for boys AND girls) I really don't think a cheese knife is the preferred styling tool. And I KNOW, from experience, that nail scissors won't do it.

Leave the hair alone. Both of you. At least until you can get to a professional.

(On the mango, I have no opinion. Sorry.)

Sep 20, 2006

over-ripe- orange
under-ripe- yellow
you are BOTH WINNERS> lol

Sep 20, 2006

I have to side with those who say it's peach colored.

Nothing But Bonfires
Sep 20, 2006

A mango is not peach colored! A PEACH is peach colored! What kind of mangoes have you people in the peach camp been EATING?

Also, I\'d like to add that Sean and I came to the Internet cafe at 8:22am to check who was winning. People like us don\'t DESERVE to visit exciting places.

And I really did cut the hippie boy\'s hair in college and make him attractive. So attractive that I dated him, actually.

Sep 20, 2006

Have you ever wondered if what one person sees as blue is what another person sees as purple, or red? And we'd never know, because one person is calling it blue blue, and the other person is calling purple/red blue, and they never know that they're not seeing the same thing, because how can you describe blue? it's just blue! Of course, you could say it's the color you get when you mix yellow and green, but how would we know that someone else doesn't see yellow as orange and green as pink?

You see, all you and Sean need to do is find some recreational materials, and then the argument will quickly de-escalate from "is it orange or yellow" to "is this mango even real?"

Sep 20, 2006

i think i would say it is orangish yellow. more orange than yellow.

Sep 20, 2006

Yellow! So I was going to point out that in Thailand, you're mango might be green. Then I remembered that it's green PAPAYA salad and realized that I am a fucking moron. But mangos are definitely yellow.

Sep 20, 2006

I personally think mangoes are orange

Nothing But Bonfires
Sep 20, 2006

No, Stampydurst, I had a chicken and mango salad at lunch today in order to try and end the debate, and it ended up being a GREEN MANGO salad. So that helped no-one.

Sep 20, 2006

"You can't have-a da mango!!"

Chris Kattan, Saturday Night Live

Stay safe. Steer clear of Thailand.

Sep 20, 2006

I say orange, and also that you should be allowed to cut Sean's hair. Because everyone knows that there are different rules for the cutting of boy hair and the cutting of girl hair, so your unwillingness to succumb to the cheese knife for your trim is irrelevant.

Sep 20, 2006

Hmmm. Mangoes are clearly... mango-colored. But I would lean towards orange. The yellow ones seem not-yet-ripe to me.

And here's the next question: What color is a tennis ball?

Sep 20, 2006

I'd say a tennis ball would be chartreuse...

Sep 20, 2006

And to add another debate regarding the color orange, what color are oranges? They are green when not ripe, and blood oranges are definitely cherry- red to dark crimson... so now what?

Sep 20, 2006

the flesh of a mango is orange, just as the flesh of a cantalop. Here is a picture:,1971,FOOD_9819_32229,00.html

Sep 20, 2006

I think you both need an overripe mango facial.

Which, of course, is the answer to the dilemma. The inside of a mango is going to be different colors depending on the ripeness factor. If it's not very ripe, it will be yellow. If it's very ripe, it will be tending towards orange.

When Samson got all his hair cut off, he lost his strength. If you both cut your hair, maybe you'll lose all your desire to fight over dumb things.


Sep 21, 2006

I am about to embark on a trip with my boyfriend to New Zealand. This blog is fantastic! (Gives me a heads up about the things not to talk about with him: #1--colors. #2--cutting hair.) Your writing is awesome...great voice. Thanks!
And Paul Newman has come out with a drink called Mango Tango, which is a mixture of Mango juice and Orange juice. My question is, if Mango were to be mixed with another Fruit, why would it mix with the same color? Mango = not orange. Papaya, on the other hand, = orange. (ooh. Did I just throw in another fruit to complicate matters?) LOVE this blog.

Vaguely Urban
Sep 21, 2006

When the lines are being drawn on an issue as crucial as this one, I have no problem taking sides.


Sep 21, 2006

Dear Jennifer,

Perhaps it is time to revisit the scene in the movie Mask (Cher's Mask; not Jim Carrey's Mask) where Rocky (Eric Stoltz) describes colors to a blind Laura Dern. (I don't remember her characters name.)

Rocky, sitting in the camp kitchen by a boiling pot of potatoes, ladles out a potato which drops onto the floor...He hands Laura Dern a hot potato and declares, " This is red. When it cools down it'll be pink."

Laura, excitedly, responds "Rocky...I think I understand." Then, a smooth playa-man Rocky takes Laura Dern's hand and gently places it on her own face, saying, "And this - pause...- THIS is beautiful."

Conveying the color of a mango, which has goldenrod tendencies, may be a bit more difficult.

This blog is as good as eating a perfectly ripe mango. Fucking fantastic.

Sep 22, 2006


Sep 24, 2006

Peach, cheese and Mango are food objects, and not colors. You can say peach-colored but you are avoiding the question, And good grief, how can so many people think mangos are orange? Oranges are orange! But Mangos are Yellow! Very very yellow!
And note, please, that yellows are not mango.

Sep 25, 2006

You are both right!

"The flesh of ripe mangos is pale yellow to orange."


The best flavored fruit have a yellow tinge when ripe; however, color may be red, yellow, green, orange or any combination.


Now kiss and make up.