How To Make A Large Graphic Sign For Your Wall

First of all, thank you so very much for all the lovely comments and compliments on our bedroom makeover. I read and relished every single one---even the one from the person who said it looked like a jail cell! Yes, even that one!---and it filled me with a particularly bubbly sort of glee that you were as delighted with the revamp as we were. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your enthusiasm. I'd invite you all over for a celebratory drink, but aside from the logistical difficulties---plus the offchance that one of you is actually a mass murderer---it would probably be rather awkward for you to have to ask for the time off work so you could fly across the country to clink glasses of champagne in the bedroom of an Internet person you've never met. I mean, right?

Probably my very favorite part of the room is the big graphic sign Sean and I made to hang over the bed, which is something I've been wanting to try for about a year now but only just got around to doing this weekend. Full and total credit for this ingenious idea should go to the incredibly talented Candi Mandi, because it was her Flickr photo I saw last September that made me think "Hey! This is amazing! I want do this!" I asked her a couple of questions on Flickr about how she did it and then stored that information in my head for eleven more months until last weekend when I decided to put the whole thing into practice.

Armed only with a fairly basic idea of what to do, I did run into a few small issues, but honestly, this thing ain't rocket science and I soon figured out what I was doing wrong and how to correct it. So in the event that you want to make your own similar sign, what follows is a detailed---probably overly detailed---set of instructions for how Sean and I made ours. Feel free to ask me any questions if something is unclear.

1. So first of all, you want to choose a quote. Candi Mandi used a line from a Beatles song and I, as I explained in a previous post, used a line I've always liked from the poem Desiderata. You have to be careful here, because it's got to be something you're not going to get sick of looking at every day. Other quotes I considered were "God only knows what I'd be without you"---we danced to the Beach Boys' God Only Knows at our wedding, played by my dad and brother on their guitars---and "So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs Wagner pies / And walked off to look for America," which is a line from my very, very, very favorite song in the world ("America" by Simon and Garfunkel. Yes, I know I am a middle-aged person in a thirty-year-old's body. Aren't I supposed to like Lady Gaga or something?)

I decided that the former could be a little bit cheesy---plus, if we were having a fight, I might scrawl on it with lipstick "I'D PROBABLY BE A PERSON WHO NEVER HAD TO PICK UP YOUR SOCKS FROM UNDER THE COFFEE TABLE AGAIN" and that could be awkward to remove the next day---and the latter perhaps a little weird and esoteric and oddly focused on pie. So in the end, I went with the Desiderata. But the world is really your oyster here.

2. Next, assemble your supplies. You will need: a large piece of plywood from the hardware store (ours cost about $30 and we had it cut down to 64 x 40, after measuring the space above our bed), some primer, some paint (we used one can of black spraypaint and a little leftover regular white paint), some screws and a drill (for screwing it into the wall), and some vinyl letters. Let me save you some time right now and tell you that I went to three different stores looking for these vinyl letters and the very best kind I found were the Headline brand in Office Max. They were $3.50 a packet (much cheaper than similar brands in Michaels and Office Depot) and they did the trick just fine. I chose 6-inch letters, which seemed to be a good fit for the size of my sign. 

3. So about those vinyl letters: It might sound stupid but you need to be a thousand percent sure that you're buying enough of each. Once you've decided on your phrase, write it out on a piece of paper and count out how many of each letter you're going to need to spell it. (Then count again. Turns out I needed 5 Us for mine, though I'd only counted 4.) You'll see on the outside of each packet how many of each letter is included inside; to spell my entire phrase, I ended up needing four packets of letters. Since you're going to be painting over them and pulling them off, it matters not what color they are (as you will see in a minute, I had to buy black, white, and red.)

4. Now decide what color you want your letters to be. I wanted my letters to be white, so I primed the piece of plywood first---this is very important, so don't skip it; you want your paint to stick to the wood---and then rolled over it with one coat of Valspar Ultra White.

5. While that's drying, cut out your letters. Your vinyl letters will come laid out on sheets. It's a pain to do this, but if you can cut out each letter as close to the edge as you can, it'll make it a whole lot easier to position them on the plywood when you're laying out your sign to see how it looks best.

6. Now figure out how you're going to lay out your text. If you're crappy at math like me, this might end up being the hardest part. We ended up surmising that we had a 40-inch high piece of plywood and 6-inch high letters, meaning we could do five rows of text with an inch between each line and three inches at the bottom and the top. You would not believe how much tearing of hair it took to get us to that conclusion.

Once you've figured that out, for god's sake, mark it on your piece of plywood and then draw the actual lines across the wood so you've got a guide when you're sticking them down. I used a black pen for this, which was a terrible idea, because if you're anything like me, you'll mess it up at some point. (Use a pencil. I beg of you, use a pencil.)

7. Lay out your letters so you have a visual of how it's going to look. Sean convinced me that we should justify everything to the left, and I'm so glad he did, although you can always center your text instead if you like. Either way, lay out the letters now and make sure you know which words you're going to put on which line. You really, really, really don't want to find out at the last minute that it doesn't all fit.

8. Now stick on your letters! This is the fun part. It's also excrutiatingly terrifying. I did this so slowly and meticulously, that I ended up getting a cramp in my tongue from sticking it out in concentration.

9. Paint your sign the color you want it to be. We chose black and we went with a spraypaint because we figured it would dry fastest. We only needed one coat. We did it outside and I let Sean do the honors because once he actually got arrested for spraypainting the side of a Duchess restaurant when he was 16, so I figured he knew his stuff.

10. Wait for it to dry. This is hard. We ended up waiting overnight, but only because we got lazy and it got dark. You'd probably be okay with five or six hours.

11. Peel your vinyl letters off! This is by far the most exciting step, because you finally get to see the results of all your hard work. If you've done a good job of painting, the letters beneath should be crisp and clear and sharp. If not, you can try touching them up a little bit once you've pulled off the vinyl.

12. Hang your masterpiece. We found the easiest way to do this was to drill a hole in each corner, put a screw into it, and screw it into the wall. Then again, we own this house now so we can ruin it all we want; if you're a cautious renter, you might want to look into hanging it with picture wire instead.

And there you go! You just made an enormous graphic sign and you're probably the only person in the world who has one exactly like it. Any questions? Fire away! And if you are thinking of making one, I'd love to hear what quote or phrase you're planning to use.

Aug 26, 2010

I actually like the way the sign looks with the red, white and black letters on white. It does make it harder to read, though.

You did a terrific job, congrats!

Aug 26, 2010

I love text art! I always wanted to stencil The Waking by The Waking by Theodore Roethke in a band around my wall - I never would have thought of using vinyl letters like this. (We ended up doing something different)

If I just had to have a few lines on a graphic like this, it would probably be the first stanza:

I wake to sleep, and take my waking slow.
I feel my fate in what I cannot fear.
I learn by going where I have to go.

Aug 26, 2010

It looks brilliant, congrats :)
And I *love* Desiderata so great choice.
I'd be tempted to use a line or two out of what I think was originally an Irish blessing
"Sing like no one's listening, love like you've never been hurt, dance like nobody's watching, and live like it's heaven on earth.”

Aug 26, 2010

I'd have "freak not, fear not, follow your breath", which is a line from Thich Nhat Hahn, paraphrased.

Aug 26, 2010

I have a nursery to decorate when I go on maternity leave next month. I would love to do something like this! Thanks so much for the guide.

As for which quote to use - I have no idea. We haven't even decided on a baby name yet!

Aug 26, 2010

Thank you for the step-by-step. I've always wanted to do something like this but haven't known where to start!

Aug 26, 2010

I really like the look of this. We have "The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page." on our living room wall. I painted directly on the wall, however, which means I can't repaint without covering it up. Will definitely try this technique next time!

Aug 26, 2010

I've thought about hanging a quote over our bed, too, but I thought about using thick watercolor paper folded accordion style. Here's the quote I've always wanted to use, from a song by Harrod and Funck:
Right here's beauty like I've never known
And I'm carefully placed here, not some castaway
But I'm weary and aching for my home

Aug 26, 2010

I love this idea. My current bedroom has a bit of a nature-y, organic feel to it. So if I had to choose something to quote it would have to be Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken." It is also my dad's favorite poem so it makes me think of him. I would pick the last few lines.

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Aug 26, 2010

I love your words, its a very positive, zen phrase to see everything morning and night. To remind you that things are always as they should be. I might try it sometime, the words I would use have not been decided on yet.

Kate (and Ben)
Aug 26, 2010

It looks lovely. Being the biggest dork around for typography, I always love seeing how someone has incorporated letters into their daily art.
Also, I missed the open comments on the bedroom--but it looks completely lovely and I'm totally jealous (in a very non-mass-murderer way [but of course, that may be due to the fact that you live on the other side of the country]).

Aug 26, 2010 teenager who just started highschool (hold me) will be thrilled to create something like this for his room to hang above his bed as well. THANK YOU

Aug 26, 2010

Ahhh, America is my favorite song in the world too. That and American Girl by Tom Petty. :)

Aug 26, 2010

I love this (and your whole room), Holly!

Also, love the re-design!

Have a splendid day!

Sarah Brown
Aug 26, 2010

God bless you for the step by step. The math part scared me, but that's why I'm marrying into math.

Aug 26, 2010

I love this sign- thanks for the tips!

Camels & Chocolate
Aug 26, 2010

WOW. This is one of your more impressive creations. Love it.

Aug 26, 2010

I love your graphic sign and I have a card with that quotation that I've been carrying around to give to the perfect person for the perfect reason... No wonder I've been holding on to it! I love going back and reading it! Now I'm thinking of framing it! Sorry to be a copy cat! Congrats on your beautiful house and your hard work!

Aug 26, 2010

I just love this. I hope it's okay, I linked to it from Style Lush's Facebook page. Had to share with the masses. (And by masses, of course, I mean the few people who follow us over there.)

Aug 26, 2010

I always wondered what they said after "bought a pack of cigarettes." I thought it was "and this is where it's at" or something. Thank you, Holly.

The room is beautiful.


How much to I love this idea? I can't even talk about it.
Thanks for the inspiration!

Aug 26, 2010

I love this! I would probably paint "On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." It's from The Little Prince and it means "We see best with our hearts. The essential is invisible to the eyes."

jive turkey
Aug 26, 2010

I've always wanted to hang the Plato quote in my house: "Be kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."

Not sure if I'd ever get around to making the giant graphic sign, but I'm filing it away in the memory bank just in case.

Aug 26, 2010

I die. This is too good to be true! I can't tell you how desperately our sad walls need this type of art. Now...which quote?!?!

Aug 26, 2010

Great instructions! I would have to ask my mom to do the math for my husband and I. We suck.

I would have to do some searching to find a quote that I think we would both like, but now I really want to do this project.

Locusts and Wild Honey
Aug 26, 2010

You knew I was going to say this, but...

Tomorrow we will run faster

--The Great Gatsby, by F.S. Fitzgerald

Aug 26, 2010

I love this idea, but fear I would spend the rest of my natural life in analysis paralysis about what quote to choose. I do love, too, your point about pops of color being interchangeable. If you can find base colors that you love enough to keep, the rest is gravy! Fabulous, as ever.

Oh, and don't feel bad about the Simon & Garfunkel thing. "Heart in New York" is on my top 10 list of all-time favorite songs, and has been since I was in junior high. And that's just Art Garfunkel, which I'm sure makes it even LESS cool. ;) C'est la vie. I like what I like.

Aug 26, 2010

Looks like a jail cell! What sort of jail cells has this person been seeing? The room is absolutely gorgeous and the sign is amazing.

amber, theAmberShow
Aug 26, 2010

This rocks! I have a feeling it would go the same way here: I'd try to center everything and Rob would insist on a left justify, and he would win, and it would be exactly the right thing to do.

Aug 26, 2010

I absolutely love this, and I think I have to make one. I'm fairly sure of the quote I'd use too. Don't laugh, but it's from one of Jamie Lee Curtis's children's books. She writes great children's books, and the quote is from my favorite-- Is There Really a Human Race?

This is it:

So take what's inside you
and make big, bold choices
And for those who can't speak for themselves,
use bold voices

How great is that? My philosophy in life right there.

The Girl Who
Aug 26, 2010

Can I sleep over? I think your room kicks ass. Not too masculine, not too feminine... the perfect combination of sexy and bad ass.

There are so many song lyrics I can think of that I'd do but I've always really liked Invictus

"It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Maybe that's too much though, maybe I'd just go with:

I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

The Girl Who
Aug 26, 2010

One more thing: I think the left justified is more bold or something. Centered would be kind of poetic and cute but the way you have it feels right with your saying, know what I mean?

Aug 26, 2010

I want to try this! Really bad!

If I were putting it in our bedroom, I would use this quote:

maybe you could settle
for a skyline faded blue
maybe you could settle
for this love I have for you?
~ from a song by the band Jars of Clay

Grammar Snob
Aug 26, 2010

I love this and have really loved reading everyone's quotes. The Robert Frost is the one I think I would pick. Or my own version of yours... "you are exactly where you are meant to be." I'm going to make one. Stay tuned! :-)

Aug 26, 2010

Love, *love* the sign. And also? Last week, I actually found myself in the ridiculous, sounds-hypothetical-but-isn't situation of having to choose one, only one song to download (it's a long story) and America by Simon and Garfunkel is the song I chose (I somehow can't manage to stop giving that cd away, it's too good not to share, but end result was that I never got the song into my itunes library, blah blah anyway).

I'm intrigued by the idea of the sign on the wall and what it would say...something that invokes nighttime and peace. Maybe something from a Pablo Neruda poem, like this line from Sonnet LXXXI:

Love and pain and work should all sleep, now

Or maybe something from Frost:

Then there were three there, making a dim row,
The moon, the little silver cloud, and she.

I know I said it before, but I love your room. It's simple and beautiful. :)

Courtney Groeneveld
Aug 26, 2010

That looks amazing! Not my style necessarily (at least not for the bedroom) but awesome. I think if I were to pick one it would have to be "All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well." Apparently kind of a religious quote, but I find it soothing.

Aug 26, 2010

SO going to do this. I have a huge empty wall in my room...and a bucket of paint that will go perfectly. Not sure on a quote yet, but I have a thousand ideas running through my head. Thanks for the inspiration!

Courtney Groeneveld
Aug 26, 2010

Oh and P.S. if we were going to do this, all that math business with figuring out how to layout the numbers? I would hand my husband a pad and paper and let him go to town. Otherwise it would end up looking like a 6 year-old did it.

Kerri Anne
Aug 26, 2010

This, and the entire room, just looks awesome. (I love! your rug.) And thank you for the step-by-step. I'm a bit DIY-stunted, so how-tos are endlessly helpful.

Mine would probably say, "For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business." From T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets.

Aug 26, 2010

Love your blog and love this idea! I've been wanting to create a big piece of art for my living room, and this looks perfect. Thanks for the inspiration and how-to! Also wanted to let you know that the dates on your posts are cut-off in the layout. Not sure if this is a Mac/Safari thing, but just FYI! Thanks again!

Aug 26, 2010

The fact that "America", by Simon & Garfunkel is your favorite song makes me love you even more, which I did not think was possible. I love your graphic sign, and will absolutely be doing one on a smaller scale for our bathroom, which we are getting ready to renovate.

Scottsdale Girl
Aug 26, 2010

AUGH! I will have a very hard time deciding what quote to use.

Do one thing everyday that scares you - Eleanor Roosevelt

Carpe Diem

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive.
Dalai Lama

Funnelcloud Rachel
Aug 26, 2010

This is fantastic! Thanks, Holly - this just helped me refine an idea I've had for a while.

I've been obsessed with those vintage bus roll signs for a while (yes, I know they are everywhere), but can't afford a real one and the fake/DIY ones just don't seem to have the same charm. But still - I have a sliver of wall in my house that begs for a bold graphic black & white sign. Now I'm thinking it should be a quote instead of a destination roll...

So I just need to come up with a quote now - and I'll send you a link whenever I make it (which may be 11 months from now, or knowing me, more like 22 months from now!).

Aug 26, 2010

Add me to the long list of admirers--love the room, love the sign. I had the idea for something similar but am disabled and would have to dragoon a family member (all of whom seem to be opposed to things like level lines and making tape) to do the work, so I went with Wall Words decals to put my favorite Walt Whitman quote on the wall opposite my bed: "I am not contained between my hat and my boots." Even though it ended up slightly crooked in the middle, I love that it's the first thing I see when I sit up in the morning.

Aug 26, 2010

Thank you for the tutorial. I may need to do this for my office wall. I am really loving reading everyone's suggestions. I think I'd probably pick one of these two quotes:

"Be glad of life, because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars"
- Henry Van Dyke


"Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right"
- Henry Ford

Miranda Tuttle
Aug 26, 2010

Man, I think my biggest problem would be deciding which room to make a sign for. I love this idea so much that if I had my way (and it wouldn't be incredibly weird) I'd make one for each and every room!

Aug 26, 2010

LOVE this idea! The quote I'd use:

"For life is short,
But sweet for certain"

Aug 26, 2010

I like 'Shoot for the moon, if you miss, you will land amongst the stars' - kinda fitting for the bedroom!

Aug 26, 2010

Very cool. I love this quote for a child's room from Where the Wild Things Are:

Max stepped into his private boat and waved good-bye
and sailed back over a year
and in and out of weeks
and through a day
and into the night of his very own room
where he found his supper waiting for him
and it was still hot.

Also, the Trondheim bed! I love that bed - we bought one in Boston (in the As-Is section; perfect condition, 60% off) but sold it when we moved back to Texas. Tragedy.

Aug 26, 2010

I love it, and I think I'd use, "When I fall asleep it is your eyes that close." It's from my favorite Neruda poem. I'd put mine in the bedroom, too.

And unrelated, but I immediately thought you should see this, if you haven't: Pete Campbell's Bitchface,

Aug 26, 2010

I'm excited to do this. I did the Love/Laugh kind of signs painted on old cupboard doors one year, but this is so much crisper. I want “Wear the old coat and buy the new book.” by Austin Phelps

Aug 26, 2010

There's a fish in my percolator.

Nothing But Bonfires
Aug 26, 2010

Janssen, I love that you can recognize an IKEA bed, right down to the name of it! That's some serious talent right there.

Aug 26, 2010

I love this. Ever since I saw "Manhattan Murder Mystery" I've wanted a NYC subway sign over my bed. Alas, the ones you want are never available. And now that we've moved out of NY I want it even more! This is a great substitute! I have a great quote that may be a slightly less serious version for Frost-lovers - from a cartoon I loved as a kid -"Everyone has to be somewhere."

Aug 26, 2010

I can't believe it was that simple to make! (Besides the math and straight lines of course!)

I think I'm going to try to make one for my apt with a quote from Mother Teresa:
"Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin."

Aug 26, 2010

Love your site, love your room, love the sign... thanks for sharing the how-to's.

I would love to make a sign with "Serenity Now, Dammit!" (from one of the best Seinfeld Episodes ever!).

melanie jennifer
Aug 27, 2010

Absolutely love this idea! Thanks for the tutorial, I have been looking for a new idea for 2 walls in my apartment. Now I just need to pick which wall and what colour!

As to the quote, I love "If we wait for the moment when everything, absolutely everything is ready, we shall never begin" by Ivan Sergeyevich Turgyenyev. Although that might be too wordy.

Aug 27, 2010

I used to live in an apartment whose 2nd bedroom had been used as a workout room by the girl who lived there before me. She had spray painted in red with stencils all over the white walls; they said things such as "I will never leave a fallen comrade" and "the mission comes first."

I like your way a lot better.

Always loved this quote:

We are poor passing facts,
warned by that to give
each figure in the photograph
his living name.

From the poem Epilogue by Robert Lowell. Have long wanted to do something with it, but now that it's out here, it looks a little...bleak. Ah, well.

Rachael W
Aug 27, 2010

This is definitely something I would like to do when I move into a new place next year (my current apartment, which I share with two others, has no more free wall space), so I'm bookmarking this page.

I'm always falling in love with quotations, most of them rather long, but I think I'd hang my favorite e.e. cummings snippet:

"for life's not a paragraph and death i think is no parenthesis"

Aug 27, 2010

The touchstone quotes of my life are:

All you need is love

No one can make you feel inferior without your concent

I get by with a little help from my friends

This is an amazing idea and in my new home, somewhere there will be a sign.

Aug 27, 2010

I HATED the color, but it goes great w/ all the white furniture and sheets and pink pillows

Aug 28, 2010

Totally unrelated: Am I the only one who is having trouble adding your feed to my feedreader? Is it because I use BlogLines? I haven't had you in my reader in sooooooooooooooooo long. (And yet! Here I am!) Do you still offer a feed? Send help!

Aug 29, 2010

Love it!! Want to do it in teal to match my soon-to-be bedding from West Elm. I would probably use Shakespeare:

If music be the food of love, play on.

I'd skip the ending lines about the appetite sickening.

Aug 29, 2010

What a fantastic idea. After too many years of house projects I wonder if I could get my husband to engage in something like this. It would be cool in a baby's nursery too. You could even do the alphabet.

Aug 29, 2010

Part 2: Speaking of nursery, I have this idea for our toddlers room once we have a second child and I have no idea how to execute because I am not crafty.

I want gigantic (a foot tall) hot-pink rickrack around the top of the bedroom including over the curtains. Any idea how I could create that (mostly the wall piece, once I figure that out, my mom could do the curtains.

Thanks talented crafty people!


Sep 02, 2010

We thought of doing something like this for the kid's room (any song lyrics come to mind?) and now I'm reinspired!

Nothing But Bonfires
Sep 02, 2010

This would be PERFECT for Wombat's room! (Though gosh, what song could you EVER use?!) Let me know if you need any help...

Sep 07, 2010

Almost all the art in my house and at my office is typography. So this is soooo happening. Soon.

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire.


"Into the light of the dark black night" - the Beatles (Blackbird)

Sep 15, 2010

I'm havin a lil bit of trouble finding the vinyl letters. I went to Office Max and they did not have it. Do you know where else I can get them?
Also, How did you stick the letters to the board?

Sep 21, 2010

Just discovered your website via twitter. I've been spending the better part of the morning browsing around. From wedding invitations to paint selections... It's been quite enjoyable to read.

I really love the quote you choose.

David Jansch
Sep 26, 2010

Hi there people.

I own a small sign-writing company!

We can produce the vinyl sticky letters for anyone who would like to make this, or we can produce signs like this from wood, plastic and metal.

If you buy your vinyl from us and need or want board we can point you in the right direction to get reasonably priced board for you to put the stickers on and the types of material that are best to look at.


David from Sign-sation

David Jansch
Sep 26, 2010

After reading some of your followers comments I would just like to add that we can copy a street sign and make it smaller or almost any other type of sign for a momento for bedrooms or names and things for kids rooms.

Just email and ASK and we will send you an image to see if we can help you.

David @ sign-sation

Sep 27, 2010

Definitely posting this on our Facebook page tomorrow!!!
Way to go!

Nov 14, 2010

I ♥ your bedroom and your blog. I too, love great design, style and taking on challenging DIY projects!

Feel free to stop by my blog if you have time. I would love to be able to post this on my blog (with kudos to you and your hubby of course). Please let me know if this is ok!

Congrats, the sign is GORGEOUS and your instructions are easy to follow. Can't wait to make mine!


Jan 11, 2011

I love this idea-so fabulous! thanks so much for posting this tutorial. Can't wait to put it to use! Blogged about it here:

Jan 31, 2011

thanks so much for sharing the tips! i pulled a different quote from desiderata, and have it hanging in my bedroom above a chaise lounge. you can see a picture here:

May 09, 2011

Just stumbled onto this post - love the sign! Am envisioning this over my daughter's bed: "rings on her fingers and bells on her toes, she shall have music wherever she goes"

Oct 26, 2011

We have a gray bedroom and I really want to make a sign that says

Life is

I saw one like it at a local boutique recently and can't stop thinking about it! I think I'll try it on canvas and I'm considering using something BRIGHT to pop on our gray walls. (We live in the Pacific NW and everyone thinks we are crazy to have a gray bedroom, but I am loving it. Of course, I haven't lived a winter in it yet, so we'll see...)

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